There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Big East
It was a very bad weekend for the Big East. The conference sent a record 11 teams to the NCAA tournament and after one weekend of play only two are advancing to the Sweet 16. The first weekend was a massive disappointment for the conference and a torrent of commentors are now using it as evidence that the conference was overrated, overhyped and the victim of an ill-advised 16-team model. They're wrong.
It is a fool's errand to try and judge the strength of a conference based on the first four days of a single-elimination tournament that by its very nature creates upsets and sends worthy teams packing early. The fact that nine of 11 Big East teams lost does not mean those nine teams did not deserve to be in the tournament. All it means is that they ran into teams that had their number and they did not deserve to advance to the Sweet 16.
If losing in the tournament means you should not have been there in the first place, why do we even have a tournament? Would the critics prefer it if the BCS took control of college basketball and made all this upset talk unnecessary? Or what about a format with best-of-seven elimination. Does anyone really think Pittsburgh would lose to Butler four out of seven times? How about Louisville and Morehead St? Those teams got unlucky, they lost and they deserved to go home, but that does not make them bad or invalidate what they did this year.
One thing you'll never hear critics do is list the teams they think should not have made the tournament. Go back one week and tell me who should not have been in the tournament. You know what you'll find? The team with the weakest resume was Marquette who is, wait for it.... going to the Sweet 16. Sure, Villanova and Georgetown were in free fall, but they had done more than enough to earn a trip to the dance. Do you remember the team that received the most scorn for making the field? That would be VCU and they're headed to the Sweet 16 as well.
The Big East had 11 of the best 68 teams this year. Period. The league deserved every bid it got. It also had more than its share of bad luck and a whole lot of teams of deserved to make the big dance but did not deserve to keep dancing past the second round. It did not have an elite team and unless UConn and Marquette can defy the odds and make the Final Four it will not have a team playing on the tournament's last weekend, and that's okay.
There are two other lines of discussion you'll probably hear along with the overrated talk. The first is that the Big East has a structural problem because it has not won a title since 2004. Bullshit. Winning the tournament is a crapshoot and while having the best team in the country helps it is far from a guarantee you'll win the title. Plus, there is only one national champion each year -- there are not a lot to go around. Just look at the amount of titles each conference has won since 2004.
ACC: 3
Big East: 0
Big 10: 0
Big 12: 1
Pac 10: 0
SEC: 2
Do you see people freaking out about the Big 10 or Pac 10? No, because winning a championship is hard as hell and like I said above, a crapshoot. Plus, that since 2004 stat is loaded specifically to make the Big East look bad. Take it back to include 2003 and 2004 and the Big East has two titles.
Quick, do you know the last time a Big 10 team was a title? It was Michigan St. in 2000 (and it was the conference's first since 1989). How about a Pac 10 team? That would be Arizona in 1997. But people don't use that as evidence that the league is in trouble because that would be just as stupid as measuring the strength of the Big East on the strength of DePaul.
The other thing you'll hear is that the Big East, for whatever reason, has trouble attracting top-level talent. This may be true -- you do not see a ton of one-and-done NBA studs coming in to the conference, but it has nothing to do with the conference's ability to perform. Do you know how many times in the modern era a stud freshman has led a team to a national title? One, Syracuse in 2003. That type of player does not win championships. Instead, championships are won by guys who have talent, but not so much that they're able to jump to the NBA after just one year and the Big East has loads of talent like that.
The problem isn't the Big East, the problem is that the format is designed not to reward the absolute best team, but rather one of the six or eight best teams that happens to get a lucky draw and avoids making a dumb mistake the longest. It's incredibly exciting, but it means measuring outcomes based off of tourney performance is a fools errand.
The Big East had a great regular season and a bad tournament. It happens. It does not mean the conference is bad, it does not mean there is a structural flaw, it just means it got unlucky. That's how it goes and its why we love the sport. We call it March Madness for a reason -- no one would love it if it was simple and predictable.
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Well said
Anything can happen in a one-and-done format.
by UConnBlog Justin on Mar 21, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Arrggh
I knew these articles were coming even before the tournament started. But man those three you listed are infuriating. It’s stunning how simple logic seems to escape so many people. Especially those in mainstream journalism who are supposed to do this for a living, specifically the ones with degrees. People like Barkley are idiots who don’t actually watch any games and make highly subjective opinions based upon the first thoughts that come to their heads.
18-1
Nuck Fova
Edsall: Thanks for building the program, but you are a huge douche (and I hope you fail miserably in Maryland.) correction...it may have been partly Hathaway's fault, but still could have told your players in person...So I'll change my stance to: "I don't care what you do in Maryland."
1967: Embrace it
This debate only interests me in one way:
Does the Big Least (love Chuck doing the tourney, don’t care how much he knows about it) talk hurt UConn’s recruiting?
My gut instinct is no. Therefore, I’m going to bask in the glory that is UConn being alive and all these teams I spend a full two and half months hating (Pitt, ND, Cuse, to a lesser extent L’ville, Nova, G’town, etc.) losing. I don’t understand why we, as UCONN FANS, need to apologize for unlucky breaks and horrible play by a bunch of teams we don’t like. What Yankee or Red Sox fan roots for the Blue Jays to do well in the playoffs? It makes no damn sense to me. I am NOT a Big East fan. Does anyone even know a so-called Big East fan?
Fold the football program, and deposit monies previously budgeted for said program into a savings account in Coach Calbertus Magnus's name.
Agree very much on the hating the other teams portion
I just get irritated by the general stupidity of their argument. The tourney is designed to be crazy, trying to draw conclusions from it is dumb as hell.
by Andrew Porter on Mar 21, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
"This post is money"
or – “Hey, at least you didn’t go all Smoking Musket on us and try to explain a complex, highly random phenomenon with an oversimplified left-field blanket statement”
For realz
Their argument makes no sense at all. I just spent 30 minutes trying to wrap my head around it, and I still can’t figure out by what logic they think that makes any sense. (Also, I may or may not have went on a 300-word rant expressing said frustrations.)
by UConnBlog Justin on Mar 21, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
That sums up
what I would have liked to think about their article, if I would have had an hour or so to invest in trying to figure out what it meant to say.
You can disagree with the entire premise, that's fine.
I’m not sensitive enough to have a problem with someone disagreeing with me. But don’t even try to pretend like you can’t possible wrap your head around what I’m trying to say.
by Dr. Charley West on Mar 21, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome, man. I love Huggy Bear.
And, as I said above, I think the whole Big Least debate is ridiculous to have.
But c’mon Doc. Objectively speaking, your argument is very poorly supported, to the point that it’s difficult to find the unifying threads within it or giving it any kind of benefit of the doubt.
Fold the football program, and deposit monies previously budgeted for said program into a savings account in Coach Calbertus Magnus's name.
it's not that it's not-understandable
…just that I can’t possibly see how it explains these circumstances. I agree to disagree doc
The NCAA did it's part as well...
…in paring down the Big East numbers. First, lets look at the structure. With 11 teams, one would assume the NCAA would put three teams in three brackets and have two teams in one bracket. That would ensure that Big East teams would meet as late as possible. Instead they did 4-3-2-2. Now, if you don’t think that the committee wanted to limit the amount of Big East teams that advanced, look at UConn’s bracket and Pitt’s bracket. Pitt had only one other Big East team in it – St. John’s. Had each team won throught, they would have met in the elite eight. UConn had only one other Big East team in its bracket – Cincy. The ymet in the secodn round. That was absolutely not necessary regardless of the number of team in the tourny. Same is true for Cuse and Quette. Also, based upn the seeded, Nova, G’Town, Cincy, Quette, West Virginia and the Johnnies were not pegged for the Sweet 16. Only four teams were seeded to reach the sweet sixteen. The best conference does not always produce the best team. We have put a good number in the final four and it has been a very diverse group as well. Nova, UConn, W. Va. and G’Town has all made it in over the last three years. The ACC has two teams, UNC and Duke. Everyone else is along for the ride. 11 got in because there were no other teams better. Still aren’t.
The one argument that doesn't fly
I hate when they use the “The Big East teams beat on each other so much in the season and tourney that they have nothing left by the NCAA’s” argument. UConn has played more games in the last two weeks than anyone in the country, and they’re representing pretty damn well.
Crap Shot?
I wonder if a Big East team won this year if you’d still be calling winning the championship a crap shoot.
I would be
because if a Big East team won this year it ’d be UConn or Marquette, both of which are fine teams but not exactly dominant. Sometimes a team that is clearly the best wins (UNC in ’09, UConn in ’04). Sometimes a very mediocre team wins (Villanova in 1985). A lot of times it is won of the best four or five teams that wins (UConn in ’99).
Talent goes a long way but this is not a meritocracy. The winner of this team is usually one of the best teams in the country but being the absolute best is far from a guarantee.
by Andrew Porter on Mar 21, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
I would shout this out from the rooftops every single solitary year the tournament is played.
Pitt was knocked out of the tournament in a game in which they and Butler committed ridiculous fouls back-to-back within 2.0 seconds of each other. Tell me that shit ain’t random.
The only exception is when UConn won its two national championship, which happened because we have the greatest teams of all times.
Thoroughly enjoying life atop the Big East.
by Kevin Meacham on Mar 21, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions

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