ACC wanted UConn before Pittsburgh, move was blocked by..... wait for it..... Boston College!
by Andrew Porter on Oct 9, 2011 1:46 PM EDT
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PrintYep, that's the news out of Boston today, with a Globe report that the ACC's last move was motivated by basketball above all else, and the only reason UConn didn't get the call was because of Boston College. I'll quote liberally here because I don't want to give myself a brain aneurysm.
Enough was enough, and a master plan was devised to bring ACC basketball back to the top. The only real target was the Big East, for geographical and competitive reasons.
The first target was Syracuse, which had been on the original ACC expansion list eight years ago. The Orangemen, like BC, were disappointed when they didn't make the final cut, passed over for Virginia Tech and Miami.
Under coach Jim Boeheim, Syracuse was clearly one of the elite basketball teams in the country and would boost the ACC's stature in that sport.
The second target was Connecticut, which was part of the Northeast footprint the ACC wanted, and was coming off the daily double of a BCS bid in football and a championship in men's basketball (the third for Jim Calhoun).
In addition, the women's basketball program under Geno Auriemma had established itself as the most dominant in the sport over the past 15 years.
With growing instability in the Big East, both schools were bound to accept any offers.
While Syracuse presented no problem, UConn did - to BC, which was still fuming over what it perceived to be vitriolic comments made when BC was finally invited to join the ACC and started competing in 2005. UConn and Pittsburgh filed a lawsuit against BC, and Calhoun made comments about never playing BC again.
DeFilippo does not deny that BC opposed the inclusion of UConn.
"We didn't want them in,'' he said. "It was a matter of turf. We wanted to be the New England team.''
You know why it was a matter of turf? Because BC is terrible. They are a rotting, fetid corpse of a by-gone era, where the northeast mattered in football and it didn't matter if your alumni didn't go to games and your city ignored you. They're an anachronism. They're Villanova with less football success and a bigger stadium. They won't play us because we're better than them and the don't want anyone to know that we've surpassed them. Again, the Globe:
Although BC and UConn are the only FBS schools in New England, BC officials were reluctant to give UConn any more credence. Membership in the ACC would do that.
UConn had already reached milestones that BC had not - including national championships in men's and women's basketball and a BCS bid in football. And there was the lawsuit.
Duke and North Carolina, who have thrived as rivals and neighbors, didn't quite understand the passion behind BC's argument, but Pittsburgh seemed like a reasonable alternative. Under Jamie Dixon, Pittsburgh had established itself as a national power in men's basketball, so the Tobacco Road contingent didn't argue. Calls were made and invitations were accepted.
You know what BC is good at? Hockey. You know why? I don't, but I'm willing to bet it has something to do with the fact that UConn doesn't allow scholarships for it. Let's just take a sample of the fall sports (no need to back in time and peek at UConn's 23-0 record against BC from 1988-2000). Hi there Men's Soccer, I see you beat Boston College 2-0 this year. How you doing Women's Soccer? Did you enjoy your 2-1 victory over BC? I bet you liked it at least as much as Field Hockey enjoyed blanking the Eagles 4-0. Hell, I'll even throw in cross country, where UConn won first place at the New England Championships. I'd mention Volleyball, but we didn't play BC in that, and our only common opponent was Virginia, who we both beat 3-1, so congrats BC, I guess you tied us there. The only thing UConn hasn't beat BC in is a lawsuit, and that's because they paid to make it go away.
Oh, hell, let's go with one more quote:
It also demonstrated the growing influence of Boston College, if not as an athletic power, then as a strong character in a passion play of intrigue, negotiations, and power moves - one of which was to successfully block Connecticut's potential membership in the ACC.
Key phrase: "if not as an athletic power." By virtue of the fact that they were traitors before it was cool, BC can block UConn from moving to the Big East, but they're not going to be able to do it forever. People in the ACC want UConn, and if another round of conference expansion comes, there won't be a lot of options other than us. I get why BC is blocking us. No one wants to be the Washington St. of the east coast, but that's where BC is headed if UConn gets into the ACC. That invitation may never come, but if it does the Eagles are in trouble, because there are clearly times when your ability to stab someone in the back on a conference call really matters, but a football or basketball game isn't one of them.
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The important thing is to remain calm and rational about this.
by UConnBlog Justin on Oct 9, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions
Hey, I'm Maryland
I’m a founding member, and representative of the ACC I propose the following trade to the Big Least: we’ll take UConn in exchange for Boston College and agree to stop taking your football playing schools.
Offer is valid one time, and void where prohibited. Does not apply to Notre Dame, see terms and conditions.
Cheers!
I like Turtles!
Follow @RedTerrapin
Sold!
Thoroughly enjoying life atop whatever conference UConn is in today.
by Kevin Meacham on Oct 9, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If nothing else
this saved us from receiving the vitrol being tossed at Cuse and Pitt for being the Big East school that twisted the knife.
Of course, the irony of a Catholic school not being able to forgive is pretty humorous. Needless to say, JC would be disappointed in BC (and that’s not Jim Calhoun … just the next best thing.)
In all fairness
that’s about as many people that attend Jaguar games too…
I like Turtles!
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No idea what the ACC was thinking there.
“Hey guys, let’s have Virginia Tech – Boston College…in Jacksonville!”
Even if they got FSU-Miami like they were expecting
the “in Jacksonville” would have been a problem (okay, it would just be an FSU home game pretty much). In Tampa, less so, though still the extreme tackiness of playing on the home field of a team in another conference.
BC is worried because they suck. What have they done is recent memory? If anything they should help UConn joining. It will make them relevant in this region. UConn and BC are natural rivals. It would be a story and will get BC on national broadcasts more often, which will only help recruiting. My friends who are BC alumns are excited by the prospect of playing UConn again. It just seems that the powers that be are the ones afraid. This is too bad. I would love to have Duke come play in Gampel (However, I’m sure this game would be scheduled for the Civic Center[When are we going to stop this nonsense with the Civic Center, its horrible. I wish it would burn down.])
And that's why BC is good at hockey
They have a blood rival at the other end of the Green Line they have to compete with for the rich lode of local talent (and plenty of others nearby, come to think of it) and attention, to the extent anyone cares about hockey which up there is a lot.
Boston College is the locus of evil in the modern world. Moderation in hatred of it is no virtue and extremism is no vice.
by subwayalum90 on Oct 9, 2011 4:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fucking ponderous
It seriously is. Do they not realize that having a conference rival in the same general area is a license to print money? Yeah, because big local rivalries don’t move the local needle and fill the coffers. And hey, with us in the ACC, at least two of their home basketball games will sellout.
You must be so proud
Blocking UConn from the ACC is the biggest accomplishment BC has had since….can’t think of anything (Flutie i guess)
Well I have an idea for you
If UConn does not like this power play against it and the blatantly anti-BE and anti-competitive flavor, it has an option
UCONN CAN SUE SWOFFORD, and the ACC to block the change
Remember the old legal adage: if you can’t win in the marketplace, you can always win in court!
Go get ’em Huskies!
Troll hard friend, troll hard
Much like BC’s athletic program to the ACC, you add nothing of value.
Thoroughly enjoying life atop whatever conference UConn is in today.
by Kevin Meacham on Oct 9, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Enjoy it
Because tomorrow you go back to the reality that your school is insignificant and hasn’t played a meaningful game in basketball and football in years……but, yeah, congrats on that whole blocking Uconn from getting into the ACC thing.
BC fans must be so proud
Their university, run supposedly by men of “faith” are not only holding an eight year grudge, but are also so petrified that their school would become even more second rate than it is with the inclusion of Uconn to the ACC that it blocked their invitation. So, if you’re a fan of the Eagles, what you know is that your school is both petty and cowardly. Kudos. Proud moment.
What’s funny, however, is that, as has been said already, Uconns inclusion in the ACC, if/when it happens, will actually HELP BC. Having a regional rival will give a few more BC games some juice. They need all the help they can get. You would think individuals associated with higher learning institutions would recognize that. What is BC protecting? No one cares about them in the region anyway and it’s not like Uconn in the ACC will hurt them in recruiting in regards to basketball. They already don’t recruit.
Isn't UConn in North East?
Then why say this?
a by-gone era, where the northeast mattered in football
BC trolling hard.
So are their fans, apparently.
Florida State fan here. Not taking sides, but I gotta admit...
…I really hope the Huskies get into the ACC. I had no idea until now how much UConn and Boston College hate each other. Now, I’d pay to watch you two play hopscotch.
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by Abiaka Windclan on Oct 9, 2011 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Funny thing is
As a Ucinn fan, I can tell you I haven’t thought about BC sin e 2004 and, honestly, even before then the only thing I thoug about BC was probably the same as what every ACC team thinks right now: just another win on the basketball schedule. Evidently, BC fans have been thinking long and hard aout Uconn though and with both their fans and university proving what second rate individuals they are……yes, if Uconn got in, it would be a heated rivalry.
Envious of what may I ask...?
Keep smoking, sir.
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by kemba walker is my hero... on Oct 9, 2011 9:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is there a single student – money aside – who would rather go to UConn than BC?
Answer: very, very few would prefer UConn and 95% would pick BC
Sorry. Fact is fact. Envy is ugly
UMass is much more compatible with UConn.. Why not strike up a rivalry with them?
Are you really dumb enough to make an "Our school is better than yours" comment?
UConn’s primary purpose as a school is to provide quality education to the residents of Connecticut. UConn accepts students from a certain academic range that the other public colleges and universities in Connecticut do not cover. There’s no mid-range public university in Connecticut for these kids to go to, so UConn must cover both of the mid-range and exceptional students of Connecticut. Therefore, UConn doesn’t have the student profile of a school like BC because it would leave a certain part of the student population screwed out of a university whose academic range fits theirs.
And if you’re going to brag about BC’s academics, it’d help not to type like a 3rd-grader.
In all honesty
The last time I had the slightest glimmering of a thought about BC, the #1 song on the charts was Nelly: “Ride Wit Me”
This is the type of response
One would expect from an individual who came up with the witty screen name of water water. Btw, you have an extremely warped sense of BC’s reputation. Nice school. Not exactly Ivy League. I mean, I would assume you got in, right? Nough said.
Academics are the only reason I'd consider living in Chestnut Hill.
I’d much rather spend a day in the gigantic cow pasture that is Storrs.
Then what are you talking about?
Boston area vs. Storrs? Because if money wasn’t an issue, I would go to MIT.
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MIT is not a fun place
But we are exploring the sources of UConn’s insane jealousy of Boston College
Any thought?
Why doesn’t UConn blow off BC and seek it own destiny? Why are u being such leeches now?
Then what are you talking about? [2]
We’re not leeching off Boston College, we’re trying to get out of the Big East by any means necessary.
Right now, we’re on a sinking ship, and we’re trying to get on BC’s decidedly non-sinking ship not because BC is on said ship, but because that ship is the only non-sinking ship in sight.
Nobody here is jealous at BC, just pissed at them.
I think your statement should say, “Why doesn’t UConn blow off (the ACC) and seek its own destiny?” BC isn’t the reason why UConn wants to join. I see that you fail to understand this.
Well, since you do lose to Duke on your own turf, it’s apparently not that difficult to tread upon.
Thoroughly enjoying life atop whatever conference UConn is in today.
by Kevin Meacham on Oct 9, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not exploring that
I’m exploring the criteria of “where I would rather have gone to school.” And you say you aren’t talking about academics. So what is the reason why 95% of students would choose BC over UConn?
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More fun, Better atmosphere, better location, more interesting students, students from all over world.. Do I really need to spell this out?
Trololol
Considering they don’t have an engineering program, kinda makes it tough for me to have considered BC along with all the other UConn engineering students. So year, that alone is enough to debunk your troll of a 95% figure.
Also, they certainly are interesting students.
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That's not a fair question
We known you can’t spell. Plus, just wanted to check, but are you talking about BC? More fun? Better atmosphere? Alright, you got me, what school are you really talking about?
I’m pretty confident that UConn isn’t just white kids from Connecticut. I’m also pretty sure I met people there from around the world. More interesting students and atmosphere? You sound like a dean. By sheer numbers I’m sure UConn has more interesting students. I’m also not fond of Jesuits. I like living without Catholic guilt.
Again, you do realize....
That BC is in Chestnut Hill, right. You’re seriously asking this question?
I actually want to thank you. I never realized that BC people had this weird, distorted view of their little school, mostly because I NEVER, EVER, EVER THINK ABOUT BC.
To this I say
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH………seriously? Seriously. Like the rest of the world, Uconn doesn’t care about BC.
Dana Barros...
I envy him, he never beat UConn. How long was that win streak alive? lots of envy from me, yep
call me at 1-800-328-7448! and really, have a NICE day!
BC fans think hopscotch is a bourgeoise game.
They prefer “the gentleman’s sport”, polocrosse.
How in the fuck does UConn not have a scholarship polocrosse team?
IT’S 2011, PEOPLE.
Thoroughly enjoying life atop whatever conference UConn is in today.
by Kevin Meacham on Oct 9, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Title XI?
Is that the by law that says only schools that have bros sporting Nantucket Reds around campus with Sperry Top-Siders on their feet can participate?
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just because we're not as smart
Doesn’t mean we’re not as rich! Haven’t you ever heard of Fairfield? Also, everyone knows Topsiders are comfier when worn on the UConn campus.
Forgot the fitted cap.
“That’s, like, essential, bruh.”
Notre. Dame. Light.
Just because monks and priests run your fucking school doesn’t make you Notre Dame. In fact, if it were a straight swap, the ACC would drop you for Notre Dame so fast it would knock your little white collars off. Let’s get over this higher education bullshit: It’s money. And UConn/BC matchups can make money, more and more as the rivalry grows back over the years. But BC can’t see the forest from the trees.
im actually glad UConn isn't in the ACC
One less football game to slog to a 6-6 tie.
One less basketball laugher to be skipped.
And I don’t even really care about BC. I want to keep playing Syracuse (I will miss playing them in the Garden most of all, we had some great times). I’m also interested in playing UNC, Duke, and Maryland (when they are good) in basketball. I would also like to kick Edsall’s ass. The vast majority of my reasons to join the ACC have nothing to do with BC. I just think playing BC might be interesting. Maybe a rivalry can develop.
I see what you're doing there...
Like UMass, UConn is a large public university… good comparison so far.
But, unlike UMass, and, BC for that matter, UConn has a relevant basketball program (isn’t this what we’re talking about?).
I respect BCs distinguished basketball pedigree just as much as the next. But I must say, I wasn’t able to much savor their last Elite 8 appearance… what with being in kindergarten and all.
Your athletic teams suck balls
Straightforward enough for you?
Thoroughly enjoying life atop whatever conference UConn is in today.
by Kevin Meacham on Oct 9, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair
as subwayalum90 reminded me above. BC does have a good hockey team. Granted it plays in Hockey East and not ACC.
Their hockey team is fantastic, yes
I think their soccer team is decent, too.
I just wanted to clarify everyone’s general position re: BC, because clearly waterwater was confused.
Thoroughly enjoying life atop whatever conference UConn is in today.
by Kevin Meacham on Oct 9, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Happy BC is in it
So they have an easy win.
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statistically worse than the Big East
Yeah, my Orange are joining it anyway. Show us the money.
I think you failed to read my post. BC is not near the top of my list for reasons why to join the ACC. I understand that you cannot comprehend that BC isn’t the top reason. Narcissism runs deep in you. But try to read a post before commenting. I understand that you are trolling, but you can troll and not look like an ass.
Wait, what are we even debating anymore?
UConn fans: “Well, you see…”
waterwater: “HEEEOROUBNAEOFG”
Well we rarely get trolls
And I enjoy making them looking silly, so that’s why I’m doing it…
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I'm just impressed at the sheer number of times
that waterwater has been able to change the topic to something completely irrelevant.
He's had a LOT of practice
He even does this to some of his own BC people over at BCI. And trolls some of the other ACC SBNation blogs.
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Check out this if you want to see him (or her?) at it’s finest.
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Aw, and I like Shakin' The Southland.
But…how does one get “Shakin’ My Johnson” from that?
waterwater is truly an avant-garde masterpiece of an internet commenter.
by hamdenhusky on Oct 9, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO
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My favorite part of that thread
BCI’s fearless leader claiming that the UConn-BC hate is “one-sided.”
Is every story on that site dripping with condescension, or is it just the ones about UConn?
Thoroughly enjoying life atop whatever conference UConn is in today.
by Kevin Meacham on Oct 9, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Only stories I've read have been about UConn
And all have had some snarky comments about UConn. But I’ve seen some stuff about Clemson as well.
In one of the UConn ones, one of the BC commenters made mention of how many UConn centric posts there had been lately haha.
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I am no longer amused by your antics
You’re trolling, and it’s annoying. You have two options:
1) Stop
2) Troll to your heart’s content for the next 30 minutes. I’ll ban you, but not until at least 11:30, you’ve been enough of a regular to have a fair chance at last words.
by Andrew Porter on Oct 9, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It's been posted before to describe water water, but this is too good not to do again. :)
waterwater at the computer
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I don't understand
They keep claiming that they could care less about UConn and that nobody cares about UConn except for CT ppl and a few new englanders. Yet, they constantly are writing about us and are trying to dispute everything we say on this site. They clearly have a man crush or are just impressed with “Pardon our brilliance.”
I agree that the move my BC to block us was smart on their part because we do in fact pose a threat to BC in many ways. But denying that a regional rivalry (again they keep saying they don’t want to play us and we aren’t on their level which is completely ignorant and snobbish) can bring in more exposure to NE football and be great games that clearly our 2 fan bases would get fired up about is crazy.
If their only reason is that they are scared about UConn stealing their (New England’s ACC team) moniker then thats just pathetic. Unfortunately, even though UConn is clearly superior to BC athletically, UConn is powerless and is at the mercy of re-alignment. Hopefully we come out on our feet and we can keep producing on the courts, fields, and classrooms to make BC even more jealous.
….here comes a BC fan “haha were not jealous of UConn, we don’t even care about them. Go play UMass.” UConn fan “Maybe we will because their better competition that BC would be.”
Can I just be a somewhat like, logical BC fan here.
Okay, I don’t hate UConn. Legitimately don’t.
I will admit Boston College has not “done anything major” in football for quite a while, but historically, our football team is better than UConn’s. I’m not taking away from UConn here, they did make a BCS bowl last year, but the Big East was struggling Big Time. Football wise, I believe it could be something of an actual rivalry. I would like to say BC would win more of the games, but with the terrible coaching we’ve had, we’ll probably slip downwards for a few more years. UConn’s football team however, isn’t really much of a shining star either, so who knows.
But to say that UConn has better competition than Boston College is a bit out of line, because well, you don’t really have better competition in the Big East.
Basketball wise, UConn would probably dominate us, as per usual, but it would create something of a better atmosphere at our campus during games. The “domination” would probably taper off when Calhoun is done, but I think y’all have something of a line of succession going on when he’s done.
So basically, UConn to the ACC makes sense, our stupid AD is just pissed off because you tried to sue us a few years back, and you’re close enough to us for him to say “we wanted to be the New England team.”
Thanks for your time, and hopefully I won’t get called many names.
I don't think...
the historically better argument really applies. We’ve only been an FBS program for 10 years. And in those 10 years we’ve won a co-championship and gone to the Fiesta Bowl. If you look at the two programs over that time period I think they would stack up fairly evenly in terms of talent and results. Anything before that wouldn’t apply, it’d be like judging yourself against URI or UNH.
Maybe that’s what is holding BC fans up? They’re remembering UConn as a dinky little program.
2 big east championships ferg*
even if wvu slaughtered us that year
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by kemba walker is my hero... on Oct 10, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I apologize for any new kid on the block mentality around here. Sometimes we forget history or just don’t know it. I know BC has a better football pedigree and respect the program. BC has had a football program for almost as long as UConn the school has been around. I grew up a Notre Dame football fan and have been up to see 3 Holy War games. I have also been two Va Tech games up there. I only started to root for UConn football after attending the university, and I know the program doesn’t play good football. I think UConn getting into the Fiesta Bowl last year was a travesty. There were a lot of more deserving teams to be there. And then we were embarrassed by OU. Right now both our programs are meh and both have trouble selling out. Having a New England rivalry would be good for both programs and hopefully it happens. Hopefully both schools can get better and make the game more interesting.
That's a respectful, thoughtful post
No name-calling for that.
I don’t think we’ve ever claimed that our football team is dominant (Porter even mentions how the Northeast/New England is no longer relevant in football and hey! where do you think UConn plays?).
Realistically, we don’t have two conference championships in a better conference, or even a similar 12-team conference (with seven games, a fluke win here or there can change everything). Though I will argue the point that the Big East had been fairly decent until 2009, at least as good as the ACC.
I agree with you that UConn to the ACC makes sense (especially now that Syracuse and Pitt are there). And I also agree with the suggestion below that the programs should hug it out and apologize to each other.
Personally, the only anger I have is directed towards DeFillippo. My “hatred” of BC is the same as my “hatred” of Syracuse and Rutgers – I merely want to beat your team on the field and mock whatever athletic failings your school has, in that delightful Internet way we’ve all come to know and love.
But when the survival of our athletic program is dependent on a small-minded man who is apparently deathly afraid of competition, that’s when things get a little more nasty and personal.
Thoroughly enjoying life atop whatever conference UConn is in today.
by Kevin Meacham on Oct 10, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not the fans...
This isn’t a “fan” issue. BC fans don’t care if UConn gets in the ACC. They would probably welcome it because fans like to see their teams on TV and BC vs. UConn would be broadcast in the northeast, where the bulk of BC fans live. So, instead of getting Penn State vs. Indiana on a Saturday, they’d get BC vs. UConn. A win for everyone.
This is an issue between two megalomaniacs—DeFillipo and Calhoun. Calhoun should never have said he won’t allow UConn to play BC again for as long as he lives (or something to that effect) because if they were asked to go to the ACC they would have thrown people out of the way to sign the papers; and, DeFillipo should let those comments go because he’s a no talent hack who has made poor decisions that will affect BC’s football team for years to come (and BC is a Catholic school that is supposed to have values that dictate turning the other cheek).
And, for the record, I’m a BC alum so I am allowed to call DeFillipo a “no talent hack.”
That's not exactly what happened
Calhoun didn’t say he wouldn’t schedule BC again because they left, but because of HOW they left. He said at the time he’d be more than willing to continue playing Miami and Virginia Tech. BC left in a different manner than Miami or VT. They helped convince Syracuse to stay, and made a great show of loyalty to the BE, all while having secret discussions with the ACC.
As for DeFillipo, I get why he hates UConn, but I think it’s misplaced anger that should be directed at Richard Blumenthal, an admittedly grandstanding politician who wasn’t acting in UConn’s interests nearly as much as he was acting in his own.
by Andrew Porter on Oct 10, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Again...
…the underlying point is Calhoun blew his top when, in reality, Lew Perkins would have done the same thing if given the offer to jump to the ACC. The reality is this—when the Big East lost Miami and Va Tech, it’s days of football relevance were doomed and anyone who thinks differently doesn’t understand how college athletics work. Without those two bell cows leading the conference the Big East was doomed and the Providence mafia can’t save it because they have little to no experience in navigating the politics of big time college football.
All this pettiness aside, UConn will be in the ACC in 2014 at the latest. What Herbst really needs to do is convince Notre Dame to come along as a traveling partner and then you’ll have Gene-o will be asking Calhoun if he wants him to fluff his pillow for him during turn down service at night.
Conspiracy theory:
This is just a giant scheme to finally get UConn a rival in football. May I suggest a giant, multicolored leaf for the trophy? Or perhaps a coupon to Dunkin’ Donuts?
by UConnBlog Justin on Oct 10, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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