Angelo Chol, UConn scholarship losses and dubious blog posts
Last night, a 2011 UConn recruit named Angelo Chol posted to his twitter feed that UConn was off his list of potential schools. When asked why, he tweeted (sic):
"they lost all there scholorships"
So yeah, that sounds bad, maybe. You see, UConn is supposed to respond to NCAA allegations by this Friday, either accepting the NCAA's version of events, contesting them, or doing a mix of both. The typical path in these things involves the school accepting most or all of what the NCAA says, imposing their own penalties, and then going before an NCAA board (in late October for UConn), to clear up the contested issues and hear judgment on if the self-imposed penalties are enough.
So if you want to take the Chol's tweet as gospel, then I guess the assumption is that UConn will announce that they are giving up three scholarships for the class of 2011 as a self-imposed penalty. Now, I don't have any evidence to contradict that (nor do I have any evidence to support it for that matter), but if I can, let me point out a few salient facts.
UConn, as currently comprised, has three open scholarships for 2011. Donnell Beverly and Charles Okwandu are both seniors and if Ater Majok decides to leave, that opens up one more, which, even if it was filled by Jonathan Mandeldove, would be open again for 2011. If Kemba Walker decides to leave, and with an NBA lockout looming, who knows, that bumps UConn to four, but again, that is an "if."
That means, if Chol is correct, that UConn will, later this week, announce that it will bring in no new recruits in 2011. Now, like I said, they very well may, but that would mean UConn has voluntarily decided to essentially kill a year of basketball development in Connecticut, which is about the most suicidal thing they could do. Especially since they could always decide to remove scholarships but spread it out over several years.
Furthermore, if you believe Chol, that means UConn made a decision not to recruit players for 2011, and then decided to tell one of those very players they could not recruit, so he could tell the world on Twitter a week before UConn is going to have to make a public statement about it anyway.
Again, all of that could be true, but it requires Jim Calhoun and UConn being a lot stupider than I think they are.
Now, as you'll notice, the headline mentions some dubious blog posts, specifically a somewhat-suspect theory about the possible departure of Ater Majok.
You remember SB Nation blog Casual Hoya right? They broke that national fake story about Calhoun and Okwandu getting into a physical altercation, which then resulted in Calhoun's leave of absence during the season.
Anyway, they are the ones that were on top of this business with Chol's twitter, and good for them, because it is a good, interesting story, especially if it turns out to be true (and again, if it is true, expect to hear a lot about it, because it means UConn got unfathomably stupid in the last few months).
However, Casual Hoya didn't just stop with the Chol bit, but also mentioned a post from Yukonnj's Blog. The gist of Yukonnj's post is that hey, what if instead of leaving of his own volition, Ater Majok was being forced out of UConn because of his connections to the current recruiting scandal (Majok has been connected to disgraced former-trainer/agent Josh Nochimson). Nice theory, but I find it hard to believe.
You see, the NCAA has already investigated the Nochimson business and released their findings. At this point, all UConn has to do is respond and then be penalized. A good amount of the NCAA report was redacted, and while some of it could be connected to Majok (most pointed pretty clearly to Nate Miles). If Majok was implicated in the original report, why would he wait until now to leave? He could have transferred somewhere else over the summer. Furthermore, if UConn wanted him gone, they could just revoke his scholarship because of the whole Nochimson mess, which everyone would understand. Creating an elaborate scenario under which he appears to leave on his own doesn't seem to offer any tangible benefit.
Furthermore, IF UConn actually did do something wrong recruiting Majok and have since discovered it, that would mean they found it after the NCAA investigation was complete and they appear to have gotten away with it. Not that I'd advocate wrongdoing, but if the NCAA couldn't find a problem (and wouldn't since they are done looking into this issue), why would UConn go out of their way to bring it to light. Showing Majok the door and pointing it out now would be akin to getting pulled over for a speeding ticket, then calling back the police officer as he was leaving your car to point out all the empty beer cans that he didn't seem to notice.
Reading Casual Hoya's post, its clear there is a lot of anti-UConn wishful thinking going on, and obviously everyone will know a whole lot more on Friday. The one thing that is clear now is that Chol isn't coming to UConn, and even that has its upside, as it only increases his chances of going to Georgetown. Judging by the grammar and spelling in his tweets, that is probably a good thing, especially if the professor who taught Patrick Ewing to read is still around.
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Sums up the UConn program and history under Calhoun
if the NCAA couldn’t find a problem (and wouldn’t since they are done looking into this issue), why would UConn go out of their way to bring it to light. Showing Majok the door and pointing it out now would be akin to getting pulled over for a speeding ticket, then calling back the police officer as he was leaving your car to point out all the empty beer cans that he didn’t seem to notice.
It ain’t cheating if you don’t get caught, right?
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
Indeed.
Again, I’d never advocate cheating (and for the record, I was very opposed to Miles from well before he committed, that guy had trouble writing all over him and I was dissapointed that UConn had anything to do with him, even before all the Nochimson junk). But if the NCAA looked and didn’t see any problems with Majok, I have a hard time seeing UConn’s incentive to look even harder for trouble.
by Andrew Porter on Aug 30, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
This is this stupidest thing in sports
The whole Major School X mocking Major School Y about recruiting allegations, infractions, etc., is the dumbest thing in sports fandom. All schools everywhere (except for maybe Hostra or something) are at fault; some just are caught and some aren’t — and usually, it comes from a school who was at one point caught from something. Just doesn’t make sense to me, really. It’s hard to point blame and single schools out for a systemic issue.
Because it’s not like Georgetown would ever get caught doing anything wrong. Oh, wait: http://chronicle.com/article/NCAA-Penalizes-Georgetown-U/48277/.
And I can’t fathom how you think Georgetown hasn’t engaged in some type of shady recruiting just because its muck hasn’t been racked yet. Because I’m sure Zo, Mutombo, Ewing, Iverson all went to the school for its sterling academics.
Seriously, it’s all just cyclical and absolutely pointless.
by UConnBlog Justin on Aug 30, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not pointless when the cheating gives a program a competitive advantage over another
Because I’m sure Zo, Mutombo, Ewing, Iverson all went to the school for its sterling academics.
They didn’t come to Georgetown because their agent told them to, I’ll guarantee you that much, The reasons they came to Georgetown are well-documented.
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Aug 30, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
But your point is taken
If you want to stand by the defense that everybody is doing it so cheating is fine, then so be it.
I ripped into Gtown when it came out baseball players were making too much money from work-study programs and I’ll rip into UConn for their 8 major NCAA violations.
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Aug 30, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
But isn't that kind of pointless?
Perhaps I’m more jaded about the whole thing. But, like I said, it seems to be more of a systemic issue rather than a Team A or Team B thing. And as long as other teams are going to play by those rules, I find it very hard to believe that others aren’t going to do the same, simply to save their own hinds. HAVEN’T YOU SEEN BLUE CHIPS! (Only half-kidding.)
And I didn’t mean to accuse Ewing, etc., specifically. Just saying that, at some point in Georgetown’s basketball history, there’s probably been some shady recruiting business going on. And although no one really knows how far the rabbit’s hole goes, if you think about it, UConn’s “infractions” could’ve been a lot worse. Miles wasn’t Neon or anything.
I guess my point is’: The team’s that have supposedly being caught red-handed aren’t a minority. And when some are caught, it seems less of “Team A is wrong” rather than “Team A got caught.” … If that makes sense.
by UConnBlog Justin on Aug 30, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think everyone is cheating, but I agree many play in the gray. And I certainly don’t think every team operates under the thesis cheat until you get caught
I agree about shady recruiting, etc, but that isn’t the biggest charge levied again UConn. The Miles scandal is secondary to the “failure to promote atmosphere of compliance”. That is USC-type stuff.
Personal feelings aside (if that is even possible), your perspective is sucks UConn got caught doing something everyone does while mine is it is about time UConn got caught doing what everyone assumed they do
If Gtown gets caught cheating (specifically paying players, dealing with agents) my perspective will most certainly be fire every person responsible in AD.
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Aug 30, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s fine, I suppose. But I tend to approach these things the same way I would steroid allegations — it’s not an individual issue, it’s systemic; and it’s pointless to cast blame on any one team when there are tons of other examples out there.
So wagging your finger at other programs and taking some moral high ground is just useless. Honestly, what does one get out of this whole exercise? Because you’re essentially going around in one huge circle — if it’s not UConn, it’s Memphis, and if it’s not Memphis, it’s about seven college football teams.
by UConnBlog Justin on Aug 30, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not willing to give up on fair play because many cheat. I understand your point that there is always someone or something in the news, but it often revolves around the same programs/conferences/people. As penalties get stiffer, I think a lot of the trash in the game can be cleaned up. The USC punishment was incredibly severe and hits the school where it matters, its pockets. I hope these types of punitive punishments continue.
I agree exactly with your baseball analogy – baseball went through a horrible period and it has all but rid itself of the steroid stigma that permeated the sport for over a decade.
Same thing can happen with college sports. The worst thing the NCAA EVER did was not punish Duke for Corey Maggette. Set a precedent for favoritism and random justice. Now they have to fix that. Started with USC, should continue with UConn.
I hope UConn gets hit hard and recovers quickly. I certainly don’t like Calhoun or the way he runs his program but that is what he wants. He fits the exact coaching mold the Big East was built on, highly divisive figureheads with sustained success and the ability to piss off everyone and anyone at anytime. This ain’t the Big Ten.
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Aug 30, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea how this turned into an ideological discussion about our hopes and dreams for college basketball.
I hate UConn and I hate all of you.
Enjoy football season.
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
by Hire Esherick on Aug 30, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Right back ya, sir.
Enjoy women’s rowing season.
by UConnBlog Justin on Aug 30, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to be confused with Saint Thompson
“760 IS TOO HIGH OF AN SAT SCORE AND UNFAIR TO AFRICAN-AMERICAN STUDENT ATHLETES!!!111”
He wanted to get the kid into the school as well as the basketball program
It’s called giving someone an opportunity they wouldn’t otherwise have.
When Mutumbo missed a class (and just for a dentist appointment), he arrived at practice to find a ticket to the Congo in his locker. Thompson told him that next time he needed to see the dentist, he needed to schedule it around his classes or he’d be going home.
If you want to have a debate about affirmative action (and that’s all this was, just one man’s special brand), by all means, there’s one to be had. But I don’t think Thompson’s desire to give these men a chance equates with recruiting violations.
Also, Thompson’s campaign for different admission standards was just that, a campaign held out in the open and taken to the people who might be able to change things within the existing structure, not outside of it.
Why so Syracuse?
by HoyaJoker07 on Aug 31, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
the problem is all of the possible secondary violations
the amount of secondary violations that are possible is overwhelming for most asst. coaches to remember.
good example, FSU self reported a secondary violation where a Walk on player ate lunch in the scholarship cafeteria.
While I'm At It
Has CasualHoya retracted his BS Calhoun fight story yet?
Doesn't seem like it
But unsubstantiated rumors that everyone in Connecticut had already heard and dismissed are the new scoops, apparently.
by UConnBlog Justin on Aug 30, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
ALL is REVEALED
"I was notified by my coach that UConn will only have two scholarships left for my class," he said. "In that case, they can only bring in one big and one guard. My coach decided that this was not the best situation for me. I fully trust him with my recruiting process."
http://www.therecruitscoop.com/angelo-chol-eliminates-uconn
not sure how that led to his tweet, but rest easy huskies, for now.
Good talk.
Casual Hoya
I'm still won't believe it
until I hear it from UConn, especially since youth coaches are about the least trustworthy folks around. However, losing two scholarships sounds reasonable and would make worlds more sense.
by Andrew Porter on Sep 1, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions

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