The Big Ten, Expansion and UConn
This past weekend was a big one in the world of sports. The NBA playoffs started, the NHL playoffs are in full swing, there were some great baseball games (and the Red Sox got swept) and UConn continued to dominate Big East baseball. However, if recent reports are to be believed, by far the most important event in sports this weekend was taking place in a conference room somewhere in Washington D.C. at a meeting of the Association of American Universities. The report, which comes courtesy of the Chicago Tribune, indicated that the heads of the Big Ten schools (all AAU members) were meeting to decide if they should accelerate their expansion talks, which were once projected to take 12 to 18 months. It seems like the Big Ten is leaning that way, and that if they do expand, it is very possibly they could look to become a 14- or 16-team league. As an added kicker, there is a series of BCS meetings scheduled for later this week, so if the Big Ten is looking to expand, that would be the logical place to start the talks.
At this point it seems pretty clear that within the next few years, the Big Ten is going to get bigger and that there is a very good chance the entire face of college sports could change as a result. I obviously have no special insight into the actual machinations of Big Ten officials, but below the jump I'll break down some of the possible future alignments and what they would mean for our beloved huskies.
As far as I'm concerned, the best case scenario, and the one that almost certainly won't happen, is for he Big Ten to steal Notre Dame away from the Big East, turn into a 12-team league and call it a day. This would give the Big Ten the championship game it so badly wants, would allow the Big East to remain relatively intact (they'd have to add another basketball only member, but that would not be a huge obstacle), and get Notre Dame off my local NBC-affiliate every Sunday. Of course, that last part is the reason why this will never happen. As long as Notre Dame remains Notre Dame and collects piles of money to be an independent, it won't join up with anyone else, despite the fact that they are a great fit for The Big Ten.
I should probably note that when I saw "best case scenario," I'm speaking like a fan and not say, Jeff Hathaway, who I'm sure would sell his first-born to secure UConn's financial future by being the 12th team in the Big Ten. I've grown up with the Big East, I rather like it, I love its brand of basketball and I hate the idea of losing the non-football schools as basketball rivals.
Since Notre Dame is not going to jump, that means the Big Ten is probably looking at an expansion to 14 or 16 teams (unless something really weird happens, like Texas deciding to bolt the Big XII and become member number 12, which would be great for UConn and the Big East, but is also incredibly unlikely). A big expansion is going to set off a chain reaction of conference jumping, and in all likelihood, kill the Big East as we know it. Why? Because the Big East could like survive losing one team (with the possible exception of Syracuse, which is probably irreplaceable) by replacing them with someone like Central Florida, but losing two or three teams would be a deathblow. Not only would two or three teams be much harder to place, but the SEC and ACC would likely react by trying to make themselves bigger.
Perhaps the simplest hypothetical would be what CBS's Dennis Dodd was getting at today when he listed UConn as the Big Ten's second best prospect (!). Dodd's theory involves the Big Ten looking to capture the northeast market by grabbing the triumvirate of Rutgers, Syracuse and UConn as part of a 14- or 16-team expansion (which still doesn't excuse Dodd ranking UConn as 2, instead of say, 'Cuse). That would instantly kill the Big East of course, with the 8 non-football schools probably forming some sort of Catholic League. I imagine in this scenario some combination of USF, WVU and Louisville would be poached by the ACC or SEC and perhaps Pitt might come along for the Big Ten ride (with Mizzou as the 16th team?). Anyway, the details of exactly who would go are tough to sort out, but it would work out mostly well for UConn, though as Meacham pointed out in the comments the last time we talked about the Big Ten, it will be a lot harder to build a winning football program when you have to compete against Ohio St. and Penn St. constantly. As for anyone who didn't get picked up? Well, they'd be royally screwed. Sorry Cincy.
There is also the chance that the Big Ten goes on a raid in our backyard but doesn't grab the Huskies. In that case, they'd probably make a move for Pitt, Rutgers and 'Cuse, which, hopefully, would leave UConn to be snatched up by the ACC. I know that sounds like anathema, but in a lot of ways, it would be my preference, especially if Cuse didn't go to the Big Ten and jumped to a new super-powered ACC instead. Imagine an ACC north division that included (among others) UConn, Syracuse, Maryland and of course, BC. Yes, I know, BC is the root of all evil, but boy would it be fantastic to rekindle that football rivalry (not to mention the automatic win it would be in basketball every year). Plus, the ACC has better football than the Big East, but it isn't anywhere near the Big Ten, so I think UConn could grow quite nicely. As a final perk, Coach K would finally be forced to travel to Gampel. I don't know about you, but Duke opening their 2012 ACC schedule in Gampel Pavilion and being destroyed by a triumphant Coach Cal would make my life.
Obviously there are a massive amount of moving pieces and possibilities to explore, and its fun to put together fantasy scenarios, but there is also a nightmare scenario that needs to be discussed. That, of course, is what happens if the Big Ten winds up killing the Big East but UConn can't find a new home. I do not think this is incredibly likely, but it certainly is a possibility, especially if the Big Ten decides to just take Pitt, Rutgers and 'Cuse, and for whatever reason the ACC stands doesn't reach out to UConn, and instead opts for something like a L'Ville/USF combo or standing pat. To be honest, I'm not sure what UConn would do in that spot, except be totally screwed. The football program needs a nice, safe conference home if its going to survive and prosper like we all want it to, and with the ACC, Big East and Big Ten all ruled out, I'm not sure there is a home, expect maybe something like Conference USA. I do not think it will happen, but it certainly could, and if it did, UConn sports could border on irrelevant very quickly, especially since as much as we hate to admit it, Coach Cal will be moving on eventually.
Like I said, my first preference would be to just maintain the Big East as is. It is not perfect, but the basketball is great and I love the rivalries. That's probably not going to happen. On an institutional level, the Big Ten is probably the better move for UConn, as it will be far more lucrative than the ACC could be. On a personal level, I'd love to see an ACC-north scenario that reignites the UConn-BC flame, keeps the Huskies playing Syracuse and establishes a basketball powerhouse along the eastern seaboard.
I certainly can't see the future, so I don't know how this will all shake out, but if I had to make a gut prediction, I'd say that 'Cuse, Rutgers and Pitt leave for the Big Ten, leaving the ACC to pick up some of the pieces between UConn, L'VIlle and WVU. That is far from the sexiest option, and certainly my least favorite of any beside the "UConn left alone in the cold" nightmare, but it is my fear. I'm interested to see yours, so comment away.
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That "UConn and Syracuse to the ACC" scenario is pretty fantastic, now that you mention it
It’s not ideal, I want the Big East to stay around forever so that Georgetown, Syracuse, Villanova and UConn can play each other forever.
But man…UConn, Syracuse, Maryland, BC, Virginia, Virginia Tech and one of the Tobacco Road schools playing a round robin every year in football, and playing each other twice (presumably) in basketball? That would be the second-best case scenario.
Also, Porter, never again say that the ACC is better than the Big East in football. That is just an out and out untruthitude.
Orange Bowl/dual Final Fours or bust in 2011. We're going all-in.
This assumes that the SEC doesn’t decide to play the brinksmanship game with the Big10. If the Big10 decides to go 14 teams the SEC would probably respond and gobble up some combination of Texas, Clemson, VT, GT, FSU. In this case, the ACC becomes the basketball-only conference that the Big East is now.
That sounds great. I’ll admit that a UConn-UNC-Duke round robin would be awesome. But how long would a basketball-only conference last competing against 2 or 3 super conferences for TV money? The ACC’s raid of the BE was an early sign of the frailty of basketball-only conferences. The tell-tale sign is that we are constantly asking about the BE’s future. As it stands, a basketball conference does not seem feasible. And it certainly wouldn’t be feasible going up against a Mechagodzilla Big10 and a MechaGeidra SEC.
"God dammit, Donald"
by DougoUConnPlaysFootball? on Apr 19, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
My prediction:
Most sensible: Notre Dame to the Big 10, Pac 10 expands to 12, Big East remains only conference without 12 football teams.
The 12-team system just works, logistics-wise. It’s perfection in basketball (play your division rivals twice, play the other division once), and it’s simple in football (play your division rivals, play half your other division rivals).
12-team conference tournaments in every sport offer the prospect of a bye to the top third of the league, which is about as fair as it gets (as opposed to the BE basketball tournament monstrosity).
I love the 12-team league. It just makes sense, and in a perfect world Division I conferences would have 12 members who play all sports.
But since that’s too logical, here’s one other scenario I see as fairly plausible:
-Big 10 steals Pitt and Syracuse, destroying the Big East as we know it. Notre Dame, facing the prospect of going independent for its Olympic sports, crawls to Jim Delaney’s door to become the 14th team.
-Remaining Big East teams decide to split up and get the best deal they can. Rutgers and UConn go to the ACC. Two of West Virginia/Louisville/USF (in that order) go to the SEC.
-Cincinnati…is kinda screwed no matter what happens, pretty much.
Orange Bowl/dual Final Fours or bust in 2011. We're going all-in.
first of all...
“I don’t know about you, but Duke opening their 2012 ACC schedule in Gampel Pavilion and being destroyed by a triumphant Coach Cal would make my life.”
i’m nominating this for uconn blog quote of the year
"...Don't talk black to me. How do you even talk black? End words with izzle..." Modern Family
by kemba walker is my hero... on Apr 19, 2010 7:16 PM EDT reply actions
i too find the thought of acc life decent after that read,
but i’d be much happier if ’cuse, wvu, louisville/rutgers came along
given a shift; nd and pitt to the big 10 just seems too make sense for it not to happen, the big question mark is where ‘cuse wants to go. otherwise, i’d agree with you two
i just hope that when the fire sale begins, uconn isn’t left in the dark still hungover from spring weekend. the thought of conference usa life scares me, our schedule highlight would include memphis in bball and ecu and ucf in fooseball. ouch
it’s kind of sad, but what i’m most proud of when reffering to our alma mater is, with no question, its athletics.
"...Don't talk black to me. How do you even talk black? End words with izzle..." Modern Family
by kemba walker is my hero... on Apr 19, 2010 7:30 PM EDT reply actions
who gets final say anyway?
hogan?
"...Don't talk black to me. How do you even talk black? End words with izzle..." Modern Family
by kemba walker is my hero... on Apr 19, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
3 Disagreements I have with this article.
1. “As long as Notre Dame remains Notre Dame and collects piles of money to be an independent, it won’t join up with anyone else…”
- Here’s the dealio, friend. ND gets under $8 million per year from their TV contract, and under $7 million per year for their BCS contract (even less if they don’t make a BCS bowl). If they were to join the B10, they would be getting $22 million plus BEFORE any bonuses for BCS bowls etc. Additionally, academically, they would get a slice of the $6 BILLION pie that is the CIC research organization. Even if there are 16 schools in the B10 (plus the U. of Chicago that is a part of the CIC but not the B10, obviously), divide $6,000,000,000 by 17 schools and what do you get? Roughly $353 million per school…hmm…
2. “…like Texas deciding to bolt the Big XII and become member number 12, which would be great for UConn and the Big East, but is also incredibly unlikely…”
- This may seem unlikely to you, and it probably is more unlikely than several other options, but there are several reasons why it does make sense for Texas to join the B10. The primary reason is, as mentioned above, $350 million or more for the lucky teams that join. Additionally, however, if the B10 were to make a move to 14/16 teams, this would cause incredible instability as the P10, SEC, and ACC absolutely raid both the BigEast and B-XII of all their football prowess. Those running Texas are not fools. They will not hang around clinging to a BXII conference that they are neither reliant upon nor share deep history with (remember, they’ve only been in the BXII for under 20 years). I would agree that odds are against Texas joining, but don’t make it sound like it’s more likely that the B10 invite the University of Miami-Ohio than Texas leave the BXII.
3. “In that case, they’d probably make a move for Pitt, Rutgers and ’Cuse…”
- Hate to break it to you, but there is significantly higher likelihood of Texas leaving for the B10 than said conference inviting this trio, for the exact same reasons listed above. The B10’s lowest ranked schools are the 3 ranked 71. With Pitt, Rutgers and Syracuse all ranked in the 60’s, accepting all of them would substantially reduce the B10’s overall academic prowess. The B10 would take one or two of the 3 you suggest as long as they also get a team ranked higher, such as ND (#20), Boston College (#34), or Texas (#47). Texas being the least likely of those 3, I’m not sure of the actual likelihood of ND or BC joining up. But I have to think that BC wouldn’t hesitate for very long.
All in all, I don’t have a crystal ball. However, I do feel that the CIC is nearly completely ignored in this article, which is ridiculous due to the fact that it is the single largest economic consideration that any academic university could have in the current era.
OK...
but if there is so much money for ND in the Big 10, why haven’t they joined yet? It’s not like the Big Ten hasn’t approached them before. I’m also assuming the people at ND are aware of this potential money you speak of in the Big 10, so I’m sure they could have put two and two together and approached the conference about joining (which the Big 10 would have accepted without hesitation).
So while I appreciate your math, I’m assuming something is off. I’ll be honest, I don’t know what that missing piece is, but something has to be there. If the money was that good for ND, they would have joined a long time ago.
by The Columnist on Apr 19, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It's because ND isn't a big time research university and doesn't really care about becoming one
The CIC thing would certainly be nice for them, but they’ve turned it down before for a reason. It doesn’t fit their mission as a school — and at a place like Notre Dame, mission trumps money. The CIC would give ND a lot more resources, but it would be giving them resources for things they either aren’t good at or don’t want to bother with it.
Jandern3 makes a lot of good points about Texas though, and I was wrong to dismiss them out of hand as I did. There are a lot of reasons for Texas to go, but I can see a clear argument for why they wouldn’t. Either way, they’re in a position of power, but I honestly don’t know enough about it to expand.
by Andrew Porter on Apr 19, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I can concede
In response to both your comment and that of The Columnist, I can concede that it’s not as cut-and-dry as I incidentally made it appear. ND clearly has rejected the B10 (and, therefore, the CIC money) in the past, and, even though it was likely a somewhat lower $ amount 10 years ago when ND rejected the invite last, a statement was most definitely made.
I have heard, while I unfortunately can not remember where, that several ND academics were at least mildly angered by the declining of the B10’s offer. Clearly, though, the administration does not share these feelings.
Instead of the CIC money being the key that mandates ND to join, it is more likely to be a factor that would make joining significantly more tolerable. Perhaps it is the straw that breaks the camel’s back (when in conjuncture with the potentially vast changes to the BCS landscape, the B10 Network dollars that dwarf those given by NBC, and the small but persistent nagging that the BCS schools provide ND for remaining an independent).
But, being that this is a UConn blog, I can certainly give my opinion on that.
As an MSU grad, I honestly hope that it isn’t “just” UConn, Pitt, and Syracuse that join. I have a personal, though unfounded, bias against Pitt that is both unfair and unmoving. However, I would appreciate Syracuse and UConn for the following reasons:
1. Big Ten basketball would clearly be improved with both Syracuse and UConn joining MSU and OSU as the conference elite.
2. The addition of a UConn football program that is improving seemingly every year. Imagine giving this program an extra $20m per year. Can anyone say, new stadium? New recruiting facilities? Newfound/increased interest in UConn football in general? At first glance, it sure does seem to be a potentially lethal combination
3. Being that the B10 is a historical conference, I would love to have a program as historical as Syracuse’s added to the repertoire.
Instead of Pitt, though, why not BC? BC would be the likelier candidate given their academic prowess. While they don’t have the football program that Pitt does, they could improve with that $20m also.
But I digress. I am curious, would you guys be excited to join the Big Ten? Would you be disappointed? Or has the Big Ten completely destroyed it’s own reputation via ugly/slow basketball and a general failure to show up for big football games until this past year?
At this point, I'd be thrilled.
From a pure fanhood perspective, my obvious preference would be to remain in the Big East, with the rivalries I know and love and my absolute favorite sporting event of the year (Big East Tournament in NYC). I’m a bigger basketball fan, and I think we’d be taking a small hit there, but the football gains would more than make up for it. I’d certainly miss the Big East, but I’d be excited enough about the move (especially if ‘Cuse came with) that I’d get over it pretty quickly.
Plus, on every other level, I’d love to see UConn join the Big 10. Financially, it’d be an absolute windfall for the school. The football program would struggle with the competition, but the increased resources make me think we could hold our own. We already have a new stadium and facilities, but you can bet that stadium would have another 20,000 seats on it within 10 years.
UConn isn’t a historically great academic university (it was never terrible, but it certainly isn’t an elite public school), but it has been improving quite quickly in the last 20 years. Joining the Big Ten would accelerate that improvement at a phenomenal rate. The school’s newest President has made graduate work a priority, and something like the CIC would instantly transform UConn’s ability to catch up and compete on an academic level.
The pluses, at least on an institutional level, outweigh the minuses so much that if the B10 comes calling and UConn even blinks, every administrator should be fired. This is a complete no-brainer. And when you consider the state of the weaker-by-the-day Big East, it is almost to the point that UConn should start actively campaigning to leave. The Big East is a sinking ship and the Big Ten has easily the best lifeboat.
by Andrew Porter on Apr 20, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
here's the deal
The Big East is probably going to take a hit. At this point, it’s much better to land in the Big 10 or ACC than be left behind.
Uconn going to the Big 10 would be awesome. I agree witht he article that the ACC would work also. But, wouldn’t the ACC like to stick it to Uconn for their lawsuit after the ACC raid… That could come back to bite us.
As for BC or Pitt, I think both fit in terms of academics. However, both are inner-city private schools. Compared to the like of MSU, Wisconsin, or OSU they are somewhat small.
Missing Piece: BTN
So while I appreciate your math, I’m assuming something is off. I’ll be honest, I don’t know what that missing piece is, but something has to be there. If the money was that good for ND, they would have joined a long time ago.
The Big Ten hasn’t ever had the Big Ten Network bringing in money hand over fist any of the other times they’ve approached Notre Dame. A decade ago when they were last invited, Notre Dame had more television money than anyone else thanks to the NBC deal and had no intention on sharing it. Now, with the BTN up and running and the monster SEC/ESPN deal in place while NBC is inventing new ways to lose money, splitting Big Ten TV revenue equally would actually be an improvement for ND (they currently have the third highest TV revenue in their own state, behind Indiana(!) and Purdue). And this before the CIC grants are taken into account for the academics.
Good points all around.
Although I will nitpick about your third. I don’t think for a second that the B10 would quibble over Texas’ slightly (emphasis: slightly) lower undergrad ranks. Texas is a cash cow right now: the kind rivaled only by OSU and maybe, maybe ND. Moreover, Texas is better regarded as a research university than are ND/BC. ND/BC have the better undergraduate numbers, but Texas has them dead to rights when it comes to PhDs awarded and research grant money.
"God dammit, Donald"
by DougoUConnPlaysFootball? on Apr 19, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I completely agree with your point which points out a personal writing weakness. What I meant when I regarded Texas as the least likely of the 3 was not that the Big 10 would accept Texas last, but instead that Texas would be the least likely of those 3 to accept a Big 10 invitation.
My apologies.
Possible Scenarios
In spring training Tom Verducci wrote an article about the MLB talking about rotating divisions (i.e., the Rays could select to play in the Central because it gives them a better shot at making the playoffs). Can we work out something like that? Maybe the Big 10 and Big East can share/rotate Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, UConn and Indiana, Illinois and Northwestern every year.
OK, as for more serious proposals, I actually like the idea of UConn and Syracuse being forced to join the ACC (maybe we can work out G’Town and Nova coming as b-ball only schools). Much more competitive for football, even if Miami and FSU get back on their feet, there are still enough never-gonna-be-good schools to give us a chance to compete every 3-4 years. Then with basketball, it would just be sick, as mentioned in previous posts.
I think that’s the best thing for UConn (other than the Big East staying as is). I really don’t like UConn in the Big 10. Football is tough, and the basketball program would lose some prestige because the conference is a joke.
So this CIC thing, whatever the hell it is,
will give whatever team joins the B10 350 mill a year or so? Sign me the hell up for that. Maybe Cal can convince the administration to build Coach Calbertus Magnus State-of-the-Art Practice Facility if they have that extra money floating around.
I’d favor a move the B10 for UConn. I could laugh at friggin’ Edsall, because he’d be at the bottom of the conference, while Cal would immediately be at the top of the conference. And that, of course, is all that matters here.
Fold the football program, and deposit monies previously budgeted for said program into a savings account in Coach Calbertus Magnus's name.

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